Craig catches up with two luminaries in the Agile and Lean space, Mary and Tom Poppendieck at YOW! Conference to talk about agile, lean, rapid feedback, culture and leadership. The discussion points include:

• Making the link between lean and software development and discovering that waterfall makes no sense
• The origins of the first book: Lean Software Development: An Agile Toolkit
• Agile is not lean in software development, Agile is lean in a delivery organisation
• How long does it take you to put a single line of code into Production?
• The manifestation of lean really kicked off in 2010 with both the rise of DevOps and the Lean Startup
• Delivery organisations versus engineering organisations and the journey of Agile
• Agile has not well addressed delivering the right stuff, solving the right problem and the architecture of rapid deployment
• Only two goals at ING: Deliver every two weeks and don’t crash production, resulted…